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Cold Crocodiles WTO (id:#56266)
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Saint Joost, The Netherlands 1945-01-20 (2 others)
FB03: Furor Hungaricus (HASL 8 - Festung Budapest)
FT250: Decimation (Franc-Tireur #14)
Designer: Pat Jonke
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Balance:
BritishGerman
44.642857142857%

Overview:

Operation Blackcock's plan was for 12th Corps to clear the German 176th and 183rd Infantry Divisions, well dug in with anti-tank guns, from a triangle formed by the rivers Roer, Wurm and Maas. The Division was on the left bank with 131st Brigade attacking northwards to secure Echt, Schilberg and Susteren. The plan was then for 22nd Armoured Brigade to break through north towards Montfort and St. Odilienburg. After the normal problems with traffic congestion the 1/5th Queens advanced, supported by flail tanks and artillery. There then ensued several days of hard fighting across canal after canal, through village after village and at St. Joost, they came upon three Companies for German Paratroops, who inflicted heavy casualties on the 8th Hussars and Rifle Brigade. Crocodile flame-thrower tanks were used to help clear them out, but the village had to be taken house by house, with the enemy only withdrawing when the flames got too much for them.
Attacker: British (I Company, 1st Rifle Brigade and C Squadron, 8th Hussars/141st Armoured Regiment)
Defender: German (Regiment "Huebner", Fallschirmjäger Division 8/Reinforcements)  
8 turns
    Players: 2     OBA: British     Night: No
Unit Counts:
Squads: A:12.0 D:9.0
AFVs: A:6
Challenger x 2
Cromwell VII x 2
Churchill Crocodile x 2

AFVs: D:2
JgdPz IV x 2

Guns: A:0
OML 2-in. Mortar x 2
D:2
8.8cm PaK 43/41 x 2

Victory Conditions:

Exit VP: Building Control VC: Area Control VC:
Unit Based VC: LOS Style VC: CVP Cap:
Misc Rules: Only bridge 23P7 exists, no valley on Bd 24. A: FTV (D3.6)
Map Board(s):
23 24 Show/hide map dependencies
PublicationBoard
ASL 2 - Paratrooper (2nd Edition)24
ASL 3a - Yanks (2nd Edition)24
ASL Action Pack # 3 Few Returned24
ASL 1 - Beyond Valor (1st Edition) 23
ASL 1 - Beyond Valor (2nd Edition) 23
ASL 1 - Beyond Valor (3rd Edition)23
Overlays: NONE
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DateReporterOpponentBal.ResultTimeComments
2025-05-05(D) Jonathan Kapleau vs Shutter, Paul German win
2025-01-19(A) Andreas R vs JennyD British win
2024-03-08(D) Andy Bagley vs Mark Blackmore British winThis time played "for real" against a very skilled opponent, and a really tough - and very enjoyable - game. I managed to take out a couple of the British tanks but couldn't touch his crocodiles, and my losses began to mount when accurate OBA fire concentrated on and around my AT gun positions. The British never managed to cross the bridge, but I ran out of defenders to stop him sweeping round to the north and grabbing victory buildings in the German rear to seal the win.
2024-03-06(A) Andy Bagley vs Matt Ellis British win"Rehearsal" for tournament playing of this scenario. And needed, as we both forgot that German AT Guns are too big to set up in buildings. By the time we were reminded, the British attack had made good progress anyway, so my opponent conceded.
2023-04-30(D) Douglas Leslie vs Sebastiano Caltabiano German winPlayed in the VASL League. The British were making good progress until a PF shot at two hex range against a moving Crocodile set it ablaze. The 9-2 leader held out in the centre of the village with a platoon and the German MGs. They were torched by the other Crocodile but narrowly avoided encirclement thanks to the cover provided by the German OBA Smoke. They then rallied and took out two squads and a leader in CC to lead to a British concession on turn six. The dice in general didn’t favour the Brits and I feel fortunate to have won. The loss of the Crocodile (needing a DR of 4 to hit) was a killer blow. On the plus side, I learned some new Italian swear words! Thanks to Sebastiano for an enjoyable game.
2022-12-29(A) Dwayne Duval vs Kevin Duval German win
2022-11-22(D) Kevin Duval vs Dwayne Duval German winPlayed it very sneaky ... HIP unit in NW corner to re-take building VP after attackers swept past. Avoided as much contact as possible while withdrawing toward the bridge. Had two HS gaining control of buildings on other side of canal. Reinforcements slaughtered Brits in advance units. All over by Turn 6, did not even need the HIP counter stroke.
2021-06-06(A) Richard Jenulis vs Richard King German win
2021-05-23(A) X von Marwitz vs Michael Koch German winThis scenario is one of the 'grand classics'. I have played it once before ages past hardly remembering anything about it, so I jumped at the chance to give it another go when my opponent proposed it.

Played the attacking British in this one. A full AAR can be found at GameSquad forum under the follwing link.

http://www.gamesquad.com/forums/index.php?threads/a25-cold-crocodiles-aar.161801/
2021-04-22(A) Will Willow vs Hetzer German winCalled after turn 5, Ersatz Vasl 2nd line league round 2.
2021-04-21(D) Jacob Elmqvist vs Asad Rustum British win
2021-04-21(A) Asad Rustum vs Jacob Elmqvist British win
2021-01-23(A) patrick palma vs Paul Schaeffer German win
2021-01-09(A) Stephen dedier vs Gene Patterson German winAs the Britishi I decided to push up the right flank and mostly bottle the Germans up on the left using the OBA to assist both.
Very see-saw battle with a lot of critical hits.
Germans managed to get the 3 needed TH on the tank with the armor leader PF and toasted them
British managed a CH on a 50mm mortar to a building and KIA a squad
Moving Jagd CH hits a dashing infantry unit and K/3 them
Also Brits lose a tank to mechanical reliability
German guns did damage to the infantry and mostly kept the AFV at bay by not knowing where the 2nd one was and thus being too carful when i could have used a bit more support on the right.
Brits got one Jagd as it tried to enter the fray but got too bold and lost a tank to the other on turn 8.
Overall my strategy was good but poorly executed.
Still it ended with the British 17CVP Germans 25 CVP and the British holding 2 buildings more than the Germans so we tied on VP giving the victory to the Germans. Can't get much closer.
2020-10-13(D) Vilis Pavulans vs Kalle Widell German winManaged to keep one hidden HS who stayed behind enemy lines after the initial assault. It tied up troops later in the game and impeded the british assault. A PaK guarding the right german flank got both Crocodiles when they tried to get over the small bridge and go around the german defences and later another AFV as well. Most british AFVs got eliminated which caused a good amount of CVPs and the assault lost momentum. Not enough buildings taken by the british.
2020-09-10(A) Mike Grogan vs Tim Wiegmann British winBritish grind out win mostly with infantry,tanks and OBA not very effective.
2020-09-09(D) Tim Wiegmann vs Mike Grogan British winGermans did very poorly in anticipating the British set-up, and the HIP guns never managed to enter play.
2020-09-03(A) Raoul Duke vs CH German winOne of the best scenarios ever. Well deserved reputation.
2020-07-17(A) David Ramsey vs Martin Barker British winBritish rolled up the Germans after a lucky (and as it turned out, illegal!) OBA drifting FFE revealed the HIP AT gun. More misery for the Germans, who promptly rolled a double-six on a PF to hit, wiping out a HS, and another box-cars on a crew MC.
2020-05-15(A) Eben Johnson vs German German winPlayed the Brits. Tough one. One smoke placement from a mortar in turn 3 (mortars start dismantled), only two smoke-capable AFVs immediately depleted, and never gained battery access (immediately 2 red cards).

As bad as my rolls were, his were good enough with, for example, immediate hits against hulldowns AFVs and hits with intensive fire vs. moving AFVs.

Couple tactical errors, and I've never before played a flame-throwing AFV. Got to use the tools better. Example: later in the game, move near by, use smoke mortar, then flame.

A hit from the 88ATs is just about a 100% blaze.

Overall, plan was good, but not able to rally anything, not able to hit anything, not able to win 2:1 CCs, not able to place smoke, no OBA - tough one.

Great opponent, great scenario.
2020-01-24(A) Andy Goldin vs Scott Holst German winMy initial excitement at playing a classic scenario was extinguished as my attacking moves were effectively countered by Scott's flexing defense. One of my tanks failed to start (Red MP, rolled a 12), effectively putting it out of the game. I lost two tanks to unexpected LOS from his 88s. My artillery and Scott's continuing failure of NMCs kept me in the game. Although my remaining tank-killing tank kept his SP ATGs from crossing the canal, they did get a KIA against my MMG kill stack thereby neutering any further effort on that board. In the south, my artillery failed to suppress his remaining 88, which then knocked out my last Crocodile as it made a run for the town. In light of my losses I no longer had enough combat power to take much of anything, so it was game over by turn 6.
2019-05-01(D) Dave Mareske vs Dan Best German winCouple of good shots early on against Dan's British crawlers found me on the way to victory. I think the British player needs to be very liberal with the SMOKE and stay away from the fausts.
2019-05-01(A) Dan Best vs Dave Mareske German win
2019-03-08(D) Ian Morris vs Stephano Cucurullo German win
2018-11-17(A) Peter Palmer vs Murray McCloskey British win[Imported from ROAR]
2018-04-28(A) Jonathan Kapleau vs Duenskie, Ron German win
2017-11-12(D) jon smith vs british German winbrits pushed the west flank through the woods and into the 'valley' area... germans in there were doomed and were captured. But while attacking the british lost 2 tanks, the crocodiles came on and aided the attack before both malfunctioning the flamethrowers.

On the other side another british tank was taken out by 88mm and after rallying from OBA the germans counterattacked and retook the large buildings initially lost...

the jpanzer charged across the canal and 1 took out the final british Cromwell while other looped around the map and came up behind the valley crocs....

in the end germans had 74vp and british 62... this was despite germans forgetting to use 2 of the 5 4 8 mmc and an 88mm which was not placed on table.

OBA was devastating and the crocs too, but they are too slow to aid in the main attack into key buildings outside of the 'valley' meaning the brits just cannot make the ground up.
2016-11-04(D) Paul Legg vs Joe Arthur British win
2016-03-08(A) patrick palma vs Miguel Molina British win
2016-02-23(D) David Yllanes vs Michael A British win
2016-01-17(D) Michael Dorosh vs Colin Emerson German winComplete beat-down, 65 VP to 23 VP. British attacked piecemeal, divided and destroyed in detail.
2016-01-17(A) Colin Emerson vs Michael Dorosh German winInteresting scenario, but I had it put on me. Everything destroyed.
Hidden 88's, Hidden squad stack. Overly effective. JagdPz entry on canal board leads to rear entry probing.
2015-12-27(D) Paolo Cariolato vs andrea pagni British winIt's a classic, unfortunately the crocs are a very iffy and powerful asset. They single handed ripped my defences apart. Nice game btw.
2014-08-10(D) Gordon Jupp vs Jeremy Shields German winBoth AT guns managed kills with their first shots but then succumbed to OBA and close assault. But both Crocodiles were destroyed and sufficient delays maent the Brits couldn't achieve enough points. Good game and worth a replay!
2013-03-10(D) mark watson vs Richard Carter German winGermans won by less than 10 points, but all that was left of them was a couple of broken squads and the TDs. One Crocodile was all that remained of the British AFV. Super cool scenario. The British OBA is devastating as are their tanks. The infantry have a hard time, though.
2013-03-10(A) Richard Carter vs Mark Watson German win
2013-02-02(D) Ian Morris vs Mike Parsons German win
2012-01-15(A) Steve Bowen vs AK British winDefender tried for a frontal defense rather than falling back ahead of the slow moving Crocodiles. He got roasted and toasted for his efforts and resigned early.
2011-05-17(D) Andy Beaton vs Jeff Wasserman British winConceded after my infantry was slaughtered, but may have conceded too soon. The point spread was closer than I thought.
2009-11-10(D) Martin Sabais vs Tosh German win
2009-10-07(D) Jeff Waldon vs Wes Vaughn British winASLOK-Ass whuppin received. AT Gun placement was poor.
2009-09-21(A) Scott Fischbein vs Bryant Henley British winGreat scenario!
2009-07-31(A) Dan Best vs Shawn Ettleman British winSt. Louis ASL Tournament 2009.
2009-06-11(A) Eric Partizan Eric vs Michel Bongiovanni British win
2008-12-31(D) nathan wegener vs Albert W German winLives up to the reputation. A fun play.
2007-08-21(D) David Ramsey vs Martin Barker German win
2007-08-19(A) Tuomo Lukkari vs Tommi Kangasmaa British win[Imported from ROAR]
2007-04-01(D) fabrizio da pra vs Nicola Marangon British win
2007-02-03(A) Paolo Cariolato vs Stefano Giombini British win
2006-11-09(D) Fernando Garcia-Maniega vs Alex L. Serrano British win
2006-08-13(A) David Reenstra vs Dave Perham British win
2003-01-26(D) Steffen Knippel vs Gerry Proudfoot British win
2002-03-16(D) Thomas Lynch vs Sean Finnerty German win
2001-01-26(A) Bill Brodie vs Dave Wilson German win
2000-12-13(A) Jeff T vs JVan British winHOB hero turned defeat into victory in this classic. Must play.
1999-10-08(A) Tuomo Lukkari vs Harri Halttunen German win[Imported from ROAR]
1998-07-01(A) David Ramsey vs David Otway German winMy first ever game of ASL :)
1998-01-16(A) Jason Wert vs Derrick Beckner German win
1995-11-03(A) Aaron Sibley vs Nick Brown British win
1995-09-17(D) Rich Weiley vs Eric Topp German win
1993-07-09(A) John Garlic vs Jon Cleaves British win
1993-07-02(A) John Garlic vs Arthur Douglas German win
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1st Battalion, The Rifle Brigade, supported by Crocodile flame-throwers, attack the village of St Joost, Netherlands, 20 January 1945.
 
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